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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.11 14:28:00 -
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Welcome back Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.15 12:57:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote: Why should I embrace a religion that openly claims to care more about my soul than my life?
Because your soul is eternal while physical life is not, and because life isn't worth living without a soul. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

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Posted - 2011.11.20 20:19:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote: Well, there's the endless parade of abused slaves, for one thing. There's also what used to be Starkmanir Prime, if you care to visit, but most Amarrians don't have the stomach for it - for some strange reason, it tends to make your kind uncomfortable.
Au contraire, the former Starkman Prime is more of an embarrassment to the Minmatars. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

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Posted - 2011.11.22 12:40:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:
The burden of proof still lies with the Amarrians to prove their God exists, not with their detractors to prove it doesn't.
God knows that He exists. Why would he need to prove it to you?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

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Posted - 2011.11.22 12:54:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:God knows that He exists. Why would he need to prove it to you? Aha! But if God knows that it exists, why does it need you to speak for it?
He doesn't need anything. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:58:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Alright then, I'll rephrase that. The vast majority of the Amarrians who matter don't seem to feel a shred of remorse or pity for the many, many crimes the Empire has committed.
Pretty much everything that you object to about the Empire are not crimes.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:16:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Pretty much everything that you object to about the Empire are not crimes. Yes they are.
According to your laws, maybe.
According to any laws that count, no. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

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Posted - 2011.11.23 20:40:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:According to your laws, maybe.
According to any laws that count, no. You violated the sovreign laws of the original Minmatar Empire when you invaded their space and enslaved their people. You continued to do so through the many centuries of occupation. The genocide of the Starkmanir took place in Minmatar territory and thus was a criminal act as well - territory which you continue to illegally occupy to this day (although currently it is rightfully under de-facto Republic control). They are also all crimes under the Yulai Convention, whch you signed.
The Yulai convention was signed after those events.
Quote: Your continuing slave raids into Gallente, Minmatar and Caldari space are also violations of the Yulai Convention, as are your continuing human rights abuses.
Have the Minmatar, Gallente or Caldari governments lodged official complaints with the administration in Yulai? Because until they do (and until the Empire is found to be in breach of the convention) your claim is meaningless.
Of course, the reason the Gallente and Minmatar governments haven't complained could be because they know that the Empire has done nothing wrong.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

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Posted - 2011.11.23 21:48:00 -
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So please point me to the court judgements regarding these alleged crimes.
Or don't you people agree with the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" after all? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:07:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:So please point me to the court judgements regarding these alleged crimes.
Or don't you people agree with the concepts of due process and "innocent until proven guilty" after all? I notice you still haven't addressed the fact that the actions your Empire took and continues to take are violations of Minmatar law.
I refer you to my earlier answer.
Also, please point me to the judicial decisions regarding these alleged violations. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.24 08:18:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Also, please point me to the judicial decisions regarding these alleged violations. Point me to the judicial decisions that allow you to call each specific member of the Tribal Liberation Force, Electus Matari or Ushra'Khan "terrorists".
Terrorist isn't a legal term. Criminal is.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:37:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Terrorist isn't a legal term. Criminal is. So, you concede that none of the Ushra'Khan, the Electus Matari or the Tribal Liberation Force are criminals,
Are you suggesting that not a single member of any of those groups has committed a crime?
Quote:and that there is no need for soldiers of the Republic to respect any law of teh Empire or personal right of an Imperial citizen? Good to know, that clears up a lot of questions I have about the operating conditions of my new job.
That's not what I'm saying at all, and you know it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:13:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Are you suggesting that not a single member of any of those groups has committed a crime? Are you suggesting that the Empire has never committed crimes?
Yes I am.
However, I'm not saying that no member of the Empire has ever committed a crime.
What you're doing is like comparing a long-limb with a slaver hound.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:18:00 -
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One thing to consider is the Heirarchy of Laws.
Allow me to explain.
If a human government were to pass a law outlawing gravity, gravity would still exist. This is because the laws of nature supercede the laws of man.
Similarly, the laws of God supercede the laws of nature, because God can do pretty much anything that He wants, and He wrote the laws of natuer anyway.
So far we have:
Law of God Law of Nature Law of Man
Now, it just so happens that mankind has more than one body of law, so we should split the Law of Man up. International treaties generally supercede national legislation, so the Yulai Convention could arguably be put above the laws of the four factions. If we were to look at things from a neutral viewpoint those bodies of law would have equal weighting, and we would then end up with this:
Law of God Law of Nature Yulai Convention Amarrian Law / Caldari Law / Minmatar Law / Gallente Law
But you see, even if we do give Amarrian Law equal weighting with Minmatar Law, the Law of God is still more important than either.
So if the Law of God is incorporated in Amarrian Law, then it stands to reason that those parts of Amarrian Law taken from the Law of God do in fact carry more importance than all other human laws.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:24:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:One thing to consider is the Heirarchy of Laws.
Allow me to explain.
If a human government were to pass a law outlawing gravity, gravity would still exist. This is because the laws of nature supercede the laws of man.
Similarly, the laws of God supercede the laws of nature Stop right there. This presumes the existence of God, which I have previously proven is an invalid presumption. The premises of your argument are fundamentally flawed.
All you've proven is your own short-sightedness.
Ignorance of the law does not invalidate it.
That is why we are on a mission to spread God's word. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:31:00 -
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Sakura Imoru wrote:Considering that the Amarr claim to be superior to everyone they surely get a lot of beating by them:
-The Jove literally obliterated the Amarr Navy at Vak'Atioth
Wrong. The Jove defeated a small part of the Amarr Navy at Vak'Atioth.
Quote: -The Matari kicked the well equiped Imperial Navy out of Heimatar using ships that were literally welded together by stuff lying around (If I remember correctly the original engines of the Rifter were made from modified mining equipment)
- The Matari invaded the Amarr Empire only 3 years ago (after beating the "invincible" CONCORD in their own system, thereby showing that their "inferior" technology can easily compete with the most advanced ones), wreaking havoc deep inside imperial borders. And even if Jamyl was able to eventually defeat one of the three Titan-fleets, it was hardly a victory. Mekhios' surface is still trying to recover from that Ragnarok-hull that crashed on the planet, it's damaged reactors leaving huge areas uninhabitable.
Yes, it's almost as though the Minmatars had a mysterious backer supplying them, isn't it?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:34:00 -
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Ethidium Bromide wrote:Subjects Stjerna and Ixiris fail to accept that logic is not the way to deal with the divine.
They are munching on dog treats, we are offering feasts!
More than that - the logic that they use has more flaws in it than a spent Gleam crystal. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:37:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: So if the Law of God is incorporated in Amarrian Law, then it stands to reason that those parts of Amarrian Law taken from the Law of God do in fact carry more importance than all other human laws.
So, you openly admit that the laws of other nations don't apply to you, because they're subservient to 'God's Law'? To extend your analogy to its logical conclusion: Since you have declared that you are not subject to the laws of humankind, you have no standing before any interstelllar or planetary court and are thus not enttled to the protection of laws passed in said court.
I've declared no such thing. I've merely said that the laws of God and the laws of nature supercede the laws of man.
Quote: (I'd also like to remind you that planetary governments may not pick and choose which specific laws apply to them and which don't, so there's no point arguing that precedent).
That was my point. Even atheist goverments are subject to God's laws - they just don't realise it.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:39:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:All you've proven is your own short-sightedness. Short-sightedness? From the man who posits a clearly invalid argument and then insists that despite all logic and reason pointing against it, he's right and reality itself is wrong? The Law of God is a Lie. This is the truth.
The Scriptures will be your spectacles. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:00:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:
I've declared no such thing. I've merely said that the laws of God and the laws of nature supercede the laws of man.
I stand corrected. Still, you would be hard-pressed to find a cout of law that would accept that line of reasoning.
It would be quite easy actually, I'd just head to the nearest Theology Council station.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:12:00 -
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Sakura Imoru wrote:
I never said how big the fleet was back then, fact is: it was obliterated.
You said the Amarr Navy, implying the whole of the Amarr Navy. Definite articles can be pesky, can't they?
Quote:Quote:Quote: -The Matari kicked the well equiped Imperial Navy out of Heimatar using ships that were literally welded together by stuff lying around (If I remember correctly the original engines of the Rifter were made from modified mining equipment)
- The Matari invaded the Amarr Empire only 3 years ago (after beating the "invincible" CONCORD in their own system, thereby showing that their "inferior" technology can easily compete with the most advanced ones), wreaking havoc deep inside imperial borders. And even if Jamyl was able to eventually defeat one of the three Titan-fleets, it was hardly a victory. Mekhios' surface is still trying to recover from that Ragnarok-hull that crashed on the planet, it's damaged reactors leaving huge areas uninhabitable.
Yes, it's almost as though the Minmatars had a mysterious backer supplying them, isn't it? Even if they were: Since the supporters must be inferior beings as well, it doesn't matter... IF the Amarrians really were superior.
Here's what I believe may have happened.
Following their phyrric victoy at Vak'Atioth, the Jovians decided that the Amarr were too great a threat to them. However, they did not have the manpower to do anything directly.
Therefore, they armed and incited the self-styled Minmatar Elders to attack the Empire. They did this through their agent, Shakor.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:14:00 -
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Sakura Imoru wrote:It's always fascinating that once you give those Amarrians some arguments they can't disprove they are just getting ignored. Oh well, like a famous medic once said: GÇ£Rational arguments donGÇÖt usually work on religious people. Otherwise there would be no religious people.GÇ¥
Your arguments are anything but rational.
And there's a response to your linked post here
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 17:18:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:It would be quite easy actually, I'd just head to the nearest Theology Council station. She meant outside the Empire, you gurning dullard.
You sound angry.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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